Friday, August 18, 2006

Shielding The Truth

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005

From the horse's mouth: A Zionist On Zionism



Well meaning but naive. Israel will continue to do what is required to protect the lives of the citizens of Israel. No UN dictate nor any International opinion, that requires Israel to commit suicide, will ever be listened to.

The Wall stays. Israel keeps Jerusalem. The borders will be negotiated.

Terrible news, but isn't it funny that the one thing everyone is sure of is that it is 'unclear? Everything that can actually be counted is unclear.

Weren't the hospitals unable to do the same thing during the 11 years that Saddam was under sanctions?
Talk about living in deniel - how many genuine offers of peace has the US-Israeli regime deliberately refused ? Auctually none. But thanks for asking.
- how many times has the UN refused to condemn international terrorism (never mind War Crimes) caused by the Palestinians? Too many times.

Hypocrisy hypocrisy hypocrisy

Saturday, August 20, 2005

From the horse's mouth: A Zionist on Zionism



No one cares if you recognize Israel.

Now that that is out of the way, back to the truth. As article 49 of the Fourth Geneva convention does not apply in this situation, pulling it out is useless. There are no War criminals in this stry unless you are mentioning the Palestinian terror groups.

The IDF is performing a distasteful job to the best of their ability. They readily deserve their reputation as a humane force.
It has never been Israel's intention to dismantle more than a handful of settlements in the West Bank. And noe in Jerusalem.

Certainly no western Journalist expects any difference.
The Nobel peace prize is no longer reserved for the peaceful. Even Arafat got one while the bllod was still dripping from his teeth.

It is amazing how important you make me out to be, but it is really only the truth that is important, not who delivers it.

As for the Egyptians, don't forget they then had the stuffing kicked out of them and shortly lost whatever they had gained.

As for Gaza, Israel should have never entered the area other than to patrol the Egyptian border. I'm glad they are out. Now we can sit back and watch the Gaza civil war.

While you lose control, I merely post truth.

Jenin was not a police action but a military action. Jenin was not flattened and no massacre occured. Even the Palestinian Authority agrees that no massacre occured (Not that the PA is a reliable source, but it will do this time).
The law that you are concerned with details police activities, it does not concern military activities. They come under two separate jurisdictions. But surely you are aware of that.

The PA, an not-so-relaible source, had no choice but to issue the statement when the truth was painfully forced upon them. The disclaimer was to assure you that I and the rest of the civilized world normally place no belief in PA statements.
Jurisdictional aspect of the matter have to do with the difference between civil law and military war.
Elaborate the difference between civil and military law? Basic knowledge. If you don't have basic knowledge, there is not much sense having you at the table.
I see. You're having a problem with the fact that "war" was the incorrect word when "law" was the intended word.

I assume you will understand know.
Golda Meir:

We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.

Golda Meir:

We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. Those comments were racist? You lost me on that one.

From the horse's mouth: A Zionist On Zionism


Palestinian Landloss from 1946 to 2000


As long as surveys show that the Arabs in the region are not interested in peace there will never be an acceptance in Israel.

The only time Palestinians have lived as Palestinians was from 1967 through 2000, the beginning of the 2nd Intafada.

From 1948 to 1967, they were treated like cayttle by the Jordanians and the Egyptians. From 1917 to 1948, they were treated as a backwards people by their British overlords.

... Fact-check. Every single time an Arab leader has requested land in return for permanent peace, Israel has accepted.

1. Menachem Begin accepted the offer by Egypt's Anwar Sadaat - a former Nazi collaborator - for peace in return for all of the Sinai Peninsula.
2. Rabin accepted a no-strings-attached peace treaty with Jordan's King Hussein in 1994.

To clarify your misconception about "Palestinian" nationhood: Most of the international community pre-1967, among them all nations in the Soviet bloc, were clamoring for a division of all land in Palestine to existing Arab governments.
IN OTHER WORDS: Palestinian nationhood was not even a concept to Palestinian Arabs until afterwards. It's really that simple. In all of history, there has never - ever - been a sovereign Palestinian state.

Hence Hamas' slogan: Drive the Infidels into the sea.

Gravatar Thank you Joe, I couldn't have done better.

Palestinians have made no concrete peace offers, only intafads when it became clear that they would not get 100% of there demands.

Joe is not saying you need to have a soveriegn State, International law is stating it. For certain legal claims, legality must be involved. Where are your cries for the poor Kurds and their dreams of Kurdistan?

You keep forgeting that the land belonged to the Ottomans and then the British, who promised it to the Jews for their assistance in defeating the Ottomans. The vast majority of Arabs living in the area were transient tenent farmers, owning little more than the clothes on their backs.

No Jew will ever actually feel safe in an islamic country. Too many pogroms, too many years as dhimmis.

Israel is about the Jews. And the war is about islamist arabs who despise the fact that Jews control what had been islamic land.

It is all over the arab press, education system, mosques, street and homes. It has never been about Arab concern for the Palestinians.
While Israelis are not being taught to love Palestinians, they are not being taught to hate them. Mainstream synagogues do not have Rabbis preaching death to Muslims.

There is one aspect of Arab solidarity. It is called antisemitism. It is a shame, but it is a fact. And you are correct that the arab world is using the palestinians to advance that agenda. And the palestinians rarely complain.

From the horse's mouth: A Zionist On Zionism


Why should Palestinians keep what they cannot defend?


As a palestinian, your natural enemy is the Islamic nationalism that demands the death of your children.

Zionism is your best friend. It brought you hospitals, schools, an economy, and long life.

Islamic nationalism brought you death.

Gravatar "The Conflict" for dummies:

Palestinians never identified themselves selves as such until Jews did so.
Zionists want a land as every people wants ther homeland.
Palestinian Arabs are no weaker or stronger than Palestinian Jews.
Zionists are not stronger but are weaker than Islamic nationalists.
Zionists have had to fight Palestinians and both sides have used terror as a weapon.
Zionists take land, formerly part of the palestinian mandate, most owned by what passes as a government at the time, from which attacks have occurred.
Zionists now have a land, it is known as Israel. The Arabs in the region are denied their nationalistic movement by the Egyptians and jordanians. The Jordanians take their land and no arab complains.
Palestinians want their land back, but first they figure they should attack the Israelis, not the Jordanians and egyptians who have stolen their land. No one can figuire out why.
Palestinians try to take their land back, but fail because they are fighting the wrong people. Rather than fight those that enslave them, the jordanians and egyptians, they fight the ones who give them jobs, hospitals, and schools. Again, no reasonable person can understand this.
Israelis defeat Palestinians. They have no choice, their backs are to the sea. They have nowhere else to go. They clearly can not trust the Germans nor the French nor the United nations.
(last 2 lines: repeat ad nauseum) Makes you sad.
Merely an opinion, of course...

From the horse's mouth: A Zionist On Zionism

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An Apology From a US Christian to Palestinians


The desire to rebuild the Temple is a part of Judaism, just as zionism is.

There are many christinas who freely attack other christians and state that they are not christian. Catholics, Mormans, 7th day adventists and others come to mind. It appears that there is nothing worse then a christian who does not kow tow to another christian. So sad.
It has no theological significance to you.

The 13.9 million Jewish zionists know that salvation is for the righteous of all nations, not just for those select few who consider themselves reborn in the correct fashion.
zionism existed well before Herzl. Evebn political zionism existed before Herzl. Just as electricity existed before Edison. Those two merely used what existed and made them greater.

Israel does not have an apartheid government nor an apartheid system in place.

Jews are a people, so the broad definition of racist behavior/attitude would include hatred of the Jewish people.
The security fence is to keep the palestinian terrorist out of the major population centers of Israel, not to keep them hemmed in somewhere else. They are free to join their brothers in palestinian Jordan.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, no matter what flimsiness it may be based on.
One believes that Ariel Sharon couldn't possibly be Jewish and another spout that Jewish power in the US is foreign. And someone accuse me of have fingers in my ears?

Truly full of mirth.

Which palestinians should go back to Jordan? You'll have to check the records and see who is from Jordan.

Why are you disagreeing about the race thing? Antisemitism is a form of racism. You canm only become Jewish by being born into it or being adopted into it.

As you have no belief in the book, it is no wonder that your writing reveals that you have never read the book.
As zionism is part and parcel inherent in Judaism, your comment smacks of antisemitism. Just an opinion though, I'm sure you feel differently. But Klansmen don't considerer themselves racists either, even though they are.
No one ever stated that zionism is Judaism. It is merely part an parcel therein. All who state that they are jewish, religiously, are zionists and believe in the concept of zionism.

Whether or not you are an antisemite has nothing to do with your accident of birth. Some very famous antisemites happen to have Jewish parents.